Dont try this with polyurethaned floors. I REALLY dont want sheet vinyl or tile in the back two rooms! Like shooting holes in a pool lining and then wondering why the water wouldn't stay in the pool. Waterproof hardwood cannot be sanded down and refinished, although its durability and high scratch resistance make that less of a minus than you might fear. Thank you for this post. Buildings' upgrade requirements change over time, but usually changes are implemented only as people renovate their apartments (for fairly obvious reasons--imagine the building suddenly telling you you had to pull up your floor and put down a waterproof membrane). If you're looking at a plank width under 4" either will work just fine! Its one of the few detailed blog posts about Waterlox out there. I think the most maintenance free and pretty option is the concrete. But, alas, that is simply not how it's done and the building has all the leverage here, not the apt. and for those who would then say, "then let the dang building pay for it!" All rights reserved. Handsome hardwood flooring, the homeowners delight. Refinishing not an option. If you want darker floors, youll need to either stain the wood before applying Waterlox, or add a bit of stain to the first coat of Waterlox. Your floors look fantastic! No, it really needs to be used on bare wood floors. I also took the poly junk off my wood counters and used Waterlox last year, since I use cutting boards anyway. If you want to follow my projects and progress, you can subscribe below and have each new post delivered to your email inbox. Vapour retarder is as good as it will get for you. I agree. What if I dont stain them, and then they dont come out dark enough for my taste? We plan to have our hardwood floors redone this summer. Cinar - I'll look at those; I pictured some sort of sheet, but maybe there are other options. Life would be so much easier. The technology is still quite new, but as its reputation spreads, other companies are likely to jump on the bandwagon as well. But by the time my floors finally looked like this, I knew exactly what I wanted. Just wondering. It sounds like they are looking to protect the tenants under you by requiring the membrane. If necessary, they can be left for hours before they begin to harm the woods structure. A floating wood should have a 6 mil poly used under as a moisture barrier. When I search I find resources on installing membrane under tile floors and under floating wood floors installed on concrete. (Still cant believe you refinished all of yours by yourself!!) Thoughts? The two refinished floors, covered in gloss polyurethane are in moderate condition (I didnt notice a few problems and there are SOME black stains)The product Waterlox suggests that it might be waterproof. Kristi, you need yourself a set of furniture slider thingys to put under the legs of your furniture. Here's what you need to know, We give you the details on cost, installation, wood varieties and more to help you pick the right hardwood flooring, Know how to apply nail polish? The builder finally suggested a paint-on product from Laticrete (Laticrete 9235). Or requiring a new lead pan whenever changing finishes in the shower. When working with a wood substrate, the recommendation (by the building industry) becomes a "vapour retardant" with a "perm" (permeability) rating. on hardwood floors and carpet all by my little petite self (I said petite, because of height only and will leave it at that LOL). As a result, when you scratch poly, you have to redo the whole thing. I watched a few videos on YouTube of people using a drum sander to get the idea of exactly what I needed to do, and that gave me a bit more confidence. I am turning an old buffet into a bathroom sink cabinet, I love the wooden top and really would like to keep it But I dont want the super shiney look of poly. Those floors will offer decades of life. They have! My parquet floors of oak ,house built 1929. need to be redone . Bruce hydropel or Sure+ waterproof hardwoods? Anything over 4" wide plank we ALWAYS install an engineered hardwood because a hardwood will expand and contract through seasons and having a wider plank you need more stability to prevent cupping and warping. I keep coming back to this post! If I do not work quickly, I will end up with brush marks, bubbles or wrinkles in my finish. I am renovating a 1948 house and love the maintenance ease of Waterlox and the way that your floors came out. But even wet, it still looks so much better already! I also find Waterlox much more forgiving, especially when my tabletops get marred. When legal issues arise (like this) they will sit up and take notice. Basically, it's a "self-curing liquid rubber polymer" that gets painted on the floor and then you roll out "reinforcing cloth" on top of it while it's wet. I would love to use waterlox, but because the floors are continuous with the rest of the house (where the floors are still in great shape), we will probably need to use poly on them. When I get a scratch like that, I simply grab some sandpaper (120-grit in this case, just because its the first one I found), and I sand the area so that its pretty smooth. If your building requires this membrane, then they should have some specs for what exactly they require. It's a wood frame building (not concrete slab) and the new floor is going over a plywood, which itself is on top of a plank subfloor (both existing). My daughter had a chihuaua, need I say more. As I was mopping the floor tonight, I was thinking how unbelievably thankful I am that I chose Waterlox for my floors. I just wanted to smooth out the rough edges and minimize the gouge as much as possible. This is so common I could spit! Yes, you could definitely use it on a bathroom counter made of wood. to hide scratches or dings the floor endures. Your floors look great! Houzz Pro: One simple solution for contractors and design pros. All producers do add one common element, though -- a highly protective finish to guard against both water infiltration and everyday wear and tear, such as scratching and scuffing. Thanks! Authenticity. Heres a link to a post I did on the project http://leisa-land.blogspot.com/2012/10/message-from-universe.html Though for some reason I dont have an after picture! Yes, Waterlox will definitely stand up to puppy accidents as long as youve used an appropriate number of coats on your floor, and obviously clean up the puppy accidents as soon as you notice them. Such great info! Do NOT use the one called a square buff. I can do some spot sanding on the areas where I dripped paint, scratched the floor with my tools, etc., and give it another coat of Waterlox, and itll look beautiful again! I used two coats of Waterlox Original Sealer/Finish followed by one coat of Waterlox Original Satin Finish. And I love the look of your floors! Depending how hard your floor is going to used (kids, dogs), the suggestion of JDM Countertops for faux wood tile is very good. With all the moving around of stuff, they would make it a breeze and not harm the floors. I need to refinish my hardwood floors. Some others suggested these same exact products. I am wondering if stain can be used with this product, and if so, do you think it would be as easy to repair scratches in it as it seemed to be for you without using a stain? The big one (shown in the first picture) was about five inches long. Not certain if you answered this question but would love to know the exact Waterlox products you used? Would waterlox be good to use on a bathroom counter made of wood? I would ask for them to sign a waiver stating that if YOUR vapour barrier (which they require) causes THEIR SUBFLOOR to ROT, you are not responsible. I saw your pics of your floors and they look great. Find out how to keep them that way, Dreaming of gorgeous, natural wood floors? yours appear to be a beautiful mid range color, not too yellow or orange. We're in an NYC coop apt and are having our kitchen renovated. Link: https://laticrete.com/our-products/tile-and-stone-installation-and-maintenance/waterproofing. A hardwood will dent, scratch, ding and all the above (which is the beauty in having a natural product like that). Bad juju. PROS: Vinyl is easy to install and lightweight; simple to maintain, CONS: impossible to repair or recycle; may off-gas unpleasantly; does not add to the value of your home. We'll be putting a floating wood floor over top. And just for fun, a vapour barrier (like 6mil plastic sheeting) is not recommended over top of a wood subfloor. This new flooring has all the rich luster of genuine hardwood, the flooring most prized by homeowners AND home buyers. Easier to move and no damage! Read the pros vs cons of waterproof hardwood flooring below, then consult a reliable flooring professional for advice on the best type for your home. I'm a DIY fanatic remodeling my way through our 1948 fixer upper. Just one problem moisture is hardwoods kryptonite. ), but that extra bit of hassle was worth it! You need a set of those mover pads. Osb/plywood is perm rated at 6 or so. I swear by this product (and I am not sponsored by Waterlox either). They are asking for something that isn't allowed. I use them all the time and have no problem moving desks, beds, couch, armoire, etc. Any recommendations for the membrane product itself? The contractor has asked us for specifications, but honestly I have no idea what to tell him. Cool. Nothing reveals the beauty of wood better than this product, in my opinion. What LONG-TERM means is it can be refinished = ecologically sound. Do I want to use polyurethane? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Bostik also makes a 3-1 as well. I was wondering if I could use the Waterlox on a couple of spots on my floor now if it is sealed with a water based polyurethane. I would be interested to learn what type of sander you used and have you used one before? Thank you so much for sharing this,I have been lamenting over what to use in a very busy house .Think we will give it a try! Also, this penetration can give the wood a 3-D like appearance if the Waterlox is applied correctly rather than look like a plastic coating on top of the wood. Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. You can learn more about me here. That way youll never miss a thing! I get compliments all the time. I also used it for my oak counter top and an oak mantel. Basically the building requires certain upgrades whenever work is done. If you have a busy home, try a hand scraped or something with variation or knots (hickory, acacia, oak, etc.) Thanks Kristi. If youre too busy to wipe up spills, pet accidents, or tracked-in snow immediately or if you have an undetected moisture problem (such as an air conditioner leak) -- beware! It's like requiring new branch plumbing or riser insulation whenever existing pipes are exposed (the latter is actually now required by law in NYC, but was already in many alteration agreements). With Waterlox, I can take my time and work at my own pace, go over any area I want to without feeling hurried. Your floors look great. Isnt that awesome? I was like you and frozen with indecision but decided on Waterlox I LOVE it. Do you think it would work with an occasional accident? Is there a finish for commercial as well? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. I hope youll join me on my DIY and decorating journey! So ignore that lovely little buzz word. Now the "requirements" become moot. We do NOT know if the water proof wood floors will last 20 years let alone a refinish. First, lets explore the difference between two frequently confused terms: waterproof vs water resistant. The Waterlox itself only comes in one color, kind of like oil-based polyurethane only comes in one color. Totally understandable; as you would appreciate the same from your upstairs neighbors. Amazing! Then you can give your wooden floors a brand-new look, Gleaming wood floors are a thing of beauty. Im on a slab and must use floating floor- possibly engineered wood. If you need more information feel free to read into our website for helpful information. Learn how your comment data is processed. The original laminate flooring, Pergo is still the gold standard. Peace of mind. I did a home remodel. My Merriam-Websters definition of waterproof is impervious to water, but water resistant is defined as merely water-repellent, meaning that eventually the water will penetrate the wood. owner. First, I made a flush mount glass bubble chandelier to go, Its not often that youll see colorless pictu, Just my bright, sun-filled living room after dark, I removed all of the carpet and they looked like this, How To Build A Bookcase (And Accomplish The Impossible), Bathroom Progress (And The Trim That Drove Me To Tears), DIY Built-In Bookcases, Part 2 (Making The Wood Countertop), That Time Nothing Went Right And I Gave Up (aka, Yesterday), http://leisa-land.blogspot.com/2012/10/message-from-universe.html. I echo what the girls said above about the mover pads. What it hard to handle? And I wont say that it was completely easy to use, but it wasnt difficult either. When your lifestyle includes kids, pets, and tons of activity, spills and splashes are impossible to avoid. Kristi love it! I actually just finished remodeling my music room, and I made a complete mess of the floor. It isn't good for the subfloor. Choose your personal favorite from a variety of wood species, attractive finishes (such as hand-scraped), and plank widths. But of course, over time, hardwood floors get scratched from everyday use. They were badly in need of refinishing. We like prefinished because the floor can be UV cured which is a very strong finish as opposed to doing a sand and stain in home which can be messy and the finish is not usually as strong. In other words, unlike stain, it doesnt keep getting darker with each new coat. We are having wood counter installed, and the company uses waterlox to finish them (there will also be an area with an oil finish that we can use for cutting). BTW, if you are thinking of engineered wood floor. 2022 www.recordonline.com. We're putting down a new hardwood floor and the building requires that a waterproof membrane be installed when re-doing kitchen or bathroom floors. The 6mil poly would work with a floating floor. With waterproof flooring, you can relax no harm done! Im so glad you liked the Floetrol, Karen! There are some really lovely ones. I love that about Waterlox. I didnt know such a product existed. Eventually all of these liquids will cause unprotected wood flooring to swell, bloat and warp. What is the drying time? This one happened to be a pretty deep gouge, so I wasnt really concerned about getting it perfectly smooth. Your floors look magnificent as is everything you do. Especially when someone as independent and (yes) careless and I am lives in the house. and looks great. . Now the firm offers two waterproof versions, OutLast and TimberCraft, which combine a hydrophobic coating with tight Uniclic locked-together joints to trap water atop the laminate surface. Step 4 in swapping your tub for a sleek new shower: Pick your waterproofing materials and drain, and don't forget to test, Plan ahead to prevent unsightly or unsafe transitions between floor surfaces. Neither of these is our application, so not sure what to say to our contractor. On Sunday that made my day: I was repainting two old wooden chairs and had gone to some length to find Floetrol over here in Germany, as you recommended it. When my project is over, I'll encourage the building to get expert advice on the issue of waterproof membranes and share some of the advice here. I think youve sold me on Waterlox for my floors. For hardwood just put a small square of cut up carpet (with the soft side down) under all legs and moves like butter. Belated thank you to those who commented on this. However, the waterproof laminate of the 2020s gets around this problem quite handily, since it is all plastic. The water-proof wood floors are yet to be tested long term in the US market. I only use Waterlox and it is wonderful. Alternate product I was considering for the two back room floors: Marine Spar Varnish. Sounds like every other NY condo board I've run across. I am living here 17 years and had the diningroom done two times. If it can be applied to wooden boats, wouldnt it be tomcat proof on wood floors? Old school laminate flooring was somewhat water resistant but definitely not waterproof. and is unable to do physical work, so I do the majority of the work on the house by myself. Itll save a lot of wear and tear on your furniture, floors and most of all, your back! The floors werent nice when I moved in. Even the slightest spill had to be wiped up within minutes before it could deal a death blow to the floors fiberboard core. Just because something 'scratches' (or shows scratches) does NOT mean it is useless or delicate. A number of Americas largest flooring businesses each have their own version of waterproof hardwood: Flooring America/Flooring Canada (FA/FC) Aquadura H2O. I understand the "concept" but the practice is very odd. Good luck. Should I stain them first? Despite the style choices available, there is still a more limited selection than youd get with traditional wooden flooring. But heres where the real beauty of Waterlox kicks in. If you're planning to do a nail down I believe tar paper is what you will need as a moisture barrier as stated by the NWFA guidelines. PROS: handsome with oodles of curb appeal; tile repair can be done by just replacing the damaged tile(s), CONS: complex to install (a VERY challenging DIY project); may be slippery and/or cold underfoot. For carpet you use the hard plastic discs that are sold for that purpose..not only does it save floors, it saves backs too! The tech varies according to the manufacturer. Over concrete is where you will lay 6-10 ml poly then the foam underlay.
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